Artur Phleps

Your In-game name: Artur Wilfried Ehrenpfalz

Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:39005974

Reason of the ban: The ban was meant for somebody else

Date you were banned on: 28th of July

Duration of ban: dunno

Admin who banned you (In-game name / Steam name/ Steam ID): Sommerfeld

Explain the situation of your ban from your point of view in detail: Got banned out of the blue, messaged the admin banning me why i was banned, and he told me he mistook me for somebody else. I just want it removed to avoid confusion

Do you think your ban was justified: no

Why should you be unbanned:

Any kind of evidence:

Additional information: the ban date that matches up with the discord chat date is the one i want removed.

18 minutes ago, JTA said:

>Says that rule has changed since he made his unban request

>Rules section was posted May 5th and doesn't state that it has been edited

>Document perma linked (Coomon Fail RP Situations Document) in the rules states that it was created 9th June 2020, no edits

>Application was made 16 hours ago

- I am saying that you are a bit confused in that department.

The rule itself has never changed, your interpretation of the rule might be completely different.

 

this is the screenshot i took from directly inside the document, this also seems to be what Kraz quoted because that was what was in the document when we discussed this. Same font, same font size as the original document. Are you implying i made such an elaborate copy from the beginning? 

4 minutes ago, Herman Stellman said:

-1

What a shit show this topic is. This is literally listed in the rules (the common FailRP infractions document) if you actually read through all of them, and you're basically arguing with Kraz at this point about the fact if it should be in the "common FailRP" document or not. I do not know why you are arguing with the banning staff member about it, if you believe that it shouldn't be in there just make a server suggestion (same goes for Beghemot who at this point is just posting to get his post count up, just make a suggestion). 

This has been a rule for as long as I can remember, just because you have either not been caught, not reported, or not punished by a staff member before does not warrant an unban and reversal of punishment seeing you said "i never in my 4 years of playing here have ever had a problem with". 

1.2.1: You must always remain in character on the server unless you are in an OOC situation (for example, a staff sit). You may only perform actions that make sense from an IC perspective. As this is a Serious RP server, any violations will be strictly punished. Look at the WW2 Common FailRP Situations document for examples. 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xLLTRcPQ2j4fO7ofEvY8vNu0o8fpuMOWcLJqi6ca-I0/edit

Closing/ Opening doors while hands are bound [In Shackles]

 

Christ, first you argue about the common sense part and now you're arguing that common sense should not be used because "It said I could not close them that must mean I can open them". Just no. 

there is nothing to argue about as the rule has been changed since i made my unban  and it now makes more sense. 

Just now, Josef Kraz said:

Im ending my argument because at the moment we are running around in circles and I will wait for other staff to comment and the server management team to either accept or decline 

Alright, sorry if i came across as rude. It just frustrates me that i got banned for something i never in my 4 years of playing here have ever had a problem with, even tho i have done it before, with no verbal warnings or nothing. Good day to you

4 minutes ago, Josef Kraz said:

 As I said earlier in the forun post. Staff use a fail rp common situation document which was created by SMT+  and in that document it says that its fail rp whrn opening and closing all doors whilst shackled is fail rl.  As I stated earlier on the forum post i would appreciate if you werent rude to staff and why would I "make up my own shit" when i use the standard issued document given to staff memebers once they join the staff team. 

when you give me a rule that is specifically about closing doors, and then proceed to interpret it so it suddenly means opening doors as well, then you are making shit up. If me disagreeing with you makes you think i am disrespecting you, then sorry for disagreeing with you....

I would like somebody with higher authority than you to come look at this, just like i told you ingame before you went ahead and banned me.

1 minute ago, JTA said:

Remember NOT ALL fail rp situations are listed and that the video shown which is too big to fit on the forums shows fail rp, atleast in my mind.

in your mind it shows failrp because you don't know anything about my character nor the context of the situation

1 hour ago, Josef Kraz said:

You weren't standing right beside the button. you were pinned  to the stairs just beisde the door leading outside to the pd courtyard in the pd cells. You then walked over and pressed the button in the video evidence it shows you walking over and pushing the button and its fail rp to open and close doors whilst shackled and basically you pressed a button whitlst shackled that "opened a jail cell door" 

 Again, nowhere does it say "opening doors while shackled is failrp" It quite litterally states closing doors. Because this rule is made for a different type of situation. Stop making up your own shit

13 minutes ago, Koauts Beghemot said:

Wait, have you been warned for opening the cell door or struggling while in shackles and with someone around you? This can make all the difference @Artur Phleps

i have been warned and banned for pressing the button i was standing right next to.

6 hours ago, JTA said:

In Rule 1.2.1: It states that a common Fail RP Warn can include Fear RP Breaking, and even states that there are more reasons that "The above actions are common instances of FailRP, but FailRP is not limited to that. Staff and players are both advised to RP seriously, as any action that does not belong to the server is FailRP. FailRP is left to the discretion of the staff conducting the sit," and in my subjectivity as stated above what you did was Fear RP.

Plus using rule 1.2.6 I would like to ask you the question: If you were a citizen in real life trying to do responsible things, would you click the button on the wall and get yourself more in trouble by trying to stage basically a riot? I don't think so. I know you were citizen then as the name when you are a business owner is that name in the video. 

So don't say you weren't breaking rules and we should look it up, as we look at these all the times and are actively noticing changes when they are updated, but only thing that is purposely vague is Fail RP due to the fact that if they were exactly as stated people can do fail RP and then say 'hey it's not directly on there' and get off the hook, which is wrong.

Please tell me how you think your action of doing that when in the character you are in classed as in rule 1.2.1: "You may only perform actions that make sense from an IC perspective."

If you can make a proper and valid reason as to why it makes sense ICly apart from 'helping someone escape' which goes against your role as business owner.

This is not failrp. I always cause as much trouble as possible when I get arrested, to force the jailer to get rid of me fast. The faster the decision the specific orpo has to make, the higher the chance that he can be bribed, and I can jump in the sewers. 

Also, there had just been a gunfight with possibly more attackers in the sewers and vents. I wanted to delay my imprisonment for the chance to escape.

As a business owner I can be either shady or legal. There's no set definition of whether a business owner should do good or bad things in specific moments, as people develop their characters differently. 

This all leads back to the fact that when I joined this server, I read the rules and remembered them. There's nothing about opening or closing doors in the motd, there's possibly rules about closing doors in the staff only handbook, but the reason it specifically states not to close doors, is that some people spam e on doors when they are being dragged through the pd. I didn't.

30 minutes ago, Henry Ullrich said:

Sorry artur but you broke the rules, ban and warn are valid so no reason to remove them -1

To break the rules there first needs to be an actual rule to break. In this case there were no rules. I suggest you look it up

4 minutes ago, JTA said:

Thank you for the video, you can see you -the applicant- was clicking to release yourself while being in shackles until asked to stop, I would do a verbal warning for that particular offense as it was only done for a short time, however while in shackles you did in presense of Orpo do something -opening doors- which you would fear for, therefore I would -1 this application as you in my eyes broke Fear RP.

It's up to orpo whether or not they wanna tie me up next to a big red button. Also, this so called "fearrp" in this situation is totally subjective. I have paid myself out of jail and fines tens of times with this character. Why would I fear orpo when he's not even pointing a gun at me?

9 minutes ago, Josef Kraz said:

Yes but you were asking where does it say in the rules that breaking out of shackles is fail rp i have found it and provided  lt to you. You were banned for opening a jail cell door whilst shackled not attempting to break out of shackles and I would appreciate if you weren't so rude to a staff member

That's actually not what I asked dear staff member. I would kindly ask you to go reread what I wrote: show me where it states in the rules that struggling in cuffs equals breaking free. " Or read the attached file. I disagree with your decision, as the rule you attached is related to closing a door, as closing a door is used by minges to annoy orpo while they are being arrested. There's still nothing about the doors in the server rules, and since they are what I follow I couldn't have guarded myself against such a mistake. As you may have noticed, I didn't close any doors. In fact I pressed a button. 

Also, don't call me rude. Anybody in my situation would have a problem with the way your personal interpretation and oppinion got me banned. 

3 minutes ago, Josef Kraz said:

FearRP is under the fail rp when it comes to warns and in the kidnapping section which the same rules apply to veing arrested  it states
4.2.6: If you are being kidnapped, you may not break out of your cuffs unless you are in an empty room. You are also not allowed to kill yourself. 

Omfg, can you take a step back and look at the situation, admit you are wrong and move on? I didn't break free from my cuffs nor was it my intention. Find a rule that states I am banned from using mouse 1 while in cuffs. Reply when you found it. Post the video of me breaking my cuffs too while you're at it. 

Cool, you have a private document. How about looking at the server rules which the players have access to. You are again talking like I broke free of my shackles. I didn't, in fact I stopped right when the orpo told me to, as I was just doing it cuz I was bored. The shackle breakout metre was at about 3%. You are completely dodging my question and you don't realize. You aren't referring to the rules, and the rule you found in your staff handbook isn't official, nor is it applicable to this specific situation. The door part is probably mentioned because people tend to spam doors so they can't get through or to hinder their transport or arrest. This is not the same type of situation. Again, show me where it states in the rules that struggling in cuffs equals breaking free. 

You are still arguing about something that isn't in the server rules. I follow the server rules, and I am not supposed to know what your private handbook says. If there's nothing against what I did in the server rules, then how should I prepare for a situation like this? How should anyone? 

In my defense, I was rude towards him as he had broken rp on several occasions, like saying "if you try to break free I'll call admin". Also, the button wasn't on the other side of the room, it was right beside me. Third of all, when I'm in cuffs and I open the jailcell, I do it because that would bring me and the prisoner on the same team. I wanted him to release me.

Fourth of all, the July 20th warn was based on a failrp warn I got years ago. There was no verbal warning because I "had done it before".

I was arguing with you because you were unable to find anything against me pushing the button in the rules, yet you proceeded with the ban. 

 The fact that you keep saying I "attempted to release myself" proves that you do not know what it means to "attempt to release yourself from cuffs". My intention wasn't to break free from my cuffs. If my intention was to break free, then I had broken free, then I hadn't stopped at 3% you are defining my intention by the fact that I spammed the mouse one button for a 3 second interval. I never broke free from cuffs because I know it's against the rules. I bet you can't find anything in the rules about struggling in cuffs either because your decision is based on your personal oppinion and not the server rules. 

Your In-game name: Artur Wilfried Ehrenpfalz

Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:39005974

Reason of the ban: Pressing a button while cuffed

Date you were banned on: 16/09/2020

Duration of ban: 2 days

Admin who banned you (In-game name / Steam name/ Steam ID): Kraz

Explain the situation of your ban from your point of view in detail: i was in the PD, and i was being arrested. I was cuffed, but in close distance to the button. I have nowhere heard that pressing a button while cuffed is failrp. If my hands were cuffed on my back, then it would possibly be discussable, but my hands were cuffed on the front. I have never heard of it being failrp to open doors, yet press buttons while handcuffed, nor does it say anything about it in the rules. 

Do you think your ban was justified: No, my ban was made 2 days long because i "reoffended" as i had some failrp warnings from a couple of years ago...

Why should you be unbanned: I should be unbanned because i believe i have one warning this year, and a 2 day ban is just completely overkill. Other than that i don't even believe the ban is justified, about cuffs in the rules, only this: Pressing a button while my hands are cuffed at the front of my body can happen in real life. If i should be punished at all it should be ingame.

Any kind of evidence: no. 

Additional information: Here is a video of a man shooting and reloading a pistol while handcuffed. Should prove my point. 

Note: After these events i get that maybe theres an agreed upon consensus that its failrp to open or press stuff while in cuffs. If this is the case, then banning me or giving me any kind of warning should be out of the question unless it says so in the rules.

I'll go ahead and +1 the unban request. I have no clue how somebody can see his /me action as arousing. The maximum sentence Barry should have gotten should be a warn for failrp and a verbal warning that his action was leaning towards ERP. 

I think this kind of action is very far from the kind of ERP the permaban rule was intended for. Looking at the reactions in chat, about half of the server disagreed with the ban, and didn't consider what he said as being ERP. That ofc doesn't mean it isn't ERP, I don't believe though that Barry's intention with his /me was to ERP, otherwise he wouldn't have done it in front of everybody, including staff. And before you call me out, I do believe it matters if he intended ERP or not, as it defines wether or not he can learn from his mistake. 

To end my +1 I will state that Barry has always been a serious and a genuinely nice person in the time I have known him. This leads me to the conclusion that he didn't intentionally break the rules, and that this slap on the wrist will remind us all not to forget the rules and bring him back on track.

+1

Which Rank/tag do you need: Platinum VIP

What is your RP Name on the server(only use one): Artur Phleps

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