Removal of DC-17 (ACES)

[Toxic 13]

What your suggestion is: to Remove Dual DC-17 and replace it with a single one

Scriptfodder/workshop link: NON

Any additional information:  they aren't a front line regiment, they are Jedi with 3+k hp and the ability to leap away and force reflect and deflect bullets as well as can heal themselves this would be more beneficial for EC then anything else. this is extremely annoying for EC and im sure EP's

Edited June 30, 2020 by Toxic

[Solaire 143]

This is kinda more of a public-jedi-suggestion. Just sounds like you had a bad experience tbh. Ace's aren't supposed to really be in the frontline anyways. I mean the thing is, Clones too can just grapple away or hide behind cover and get healed. Same kind of thing. And I'm pretty sure pistols are the worst of an ECs problem is some pistols. Much worse things to be shot by. 

[inactive account 40]

-1

Keep the Dual DC-17s

Don't Frontline

Easy.

[Victor 210]

-1

 

Just because some aces may frontline, doesn't mean it should be removed plus it's Ace's loadout so no need to remove it.

 

[Blaster 50]

If you see them abusing their base HP which has not been set to be balanced compared to ECs simply call them out. Don't think there is a ned to remove the pistols.

[Definitely Not Rogue 76]

+1 if you wanna shoot play clone, there is no need for Jedi to have guns 

Edited July 1, 2020 by Rogue

[Bansheey 304]

+1

Jedi already have a OP weapon they don't need a gun. 

[ethan 86]

+1
play clone if you want to shoot

[Lewis 46]

+1

Aren't Ace's meant to be pilots. To be honest i don't know why they have them and why they frontline with them. The duel DC's just causes problems.

[Nathan 72]

+1 

I really dont see a point in pistols either help in ARC-170s or help deal with siths 

[Klavigar 34]

Neutral

I wouldn´t out right remove dual dc-17s from aces but make silver rule much more strict that if anyone(even the ECs themself) sees a ace firing their dual dc-17s at non Sith ECs even thou there are clones around who can deal with the EC they should call an admin to verbally warn the ace or just CG to deal with him. It is super annoying as non Sith ECs to deal with those pain in the ass aces with 3k HP and more armor then a man can carry and if they get low they just force leap out of there in 2 seconds and just self heal back to 3k HP (dont even try to argue "but clones will runway as well or use grappling hooks when on low HP" yes they will do that but THEY CANT DO THAT IN 2 SECONDS AND SELF HEAL BACK TO 3K HP) TL:DR I just hate aces as Non Sith EC

[Donny 30]

+1 / neutral pretty sure Jedi don’t actually get blaster training so it’s kinda against the lore of it.
I can understand where this comes from when playing EC and facing a Jedi it can be really tedious to fight.

The best approach to keep people happy is probably for aces to either stay in the GR with CE or to stay at the back lines on barricades.

It might be hard to enforce thus however.

[Palmer 14]

+1 Play clone if you wanna shoot

[[W-G] Defrexx 47]

-1

They are not supposed to frontline. If they do contact a master and it will be dealt with. Literally all i've seen is people crying because either wOS lags or they rush the ace themselves. Its really stupid how hard people are crying. The pistols do minimal damage at range and thats how Aces support clones. 

Edited July 1, 2020 by [W-G] Defrexx

[Bean 80]

-1/Neutral

Aces shouldn't frontline and if they had their DC-17s removed, they'd have little to set them apart from other Guardian sub-paths. If them frontlining and going against the rules becomes a continual problem then yes, I do think they should be removed. However until then, let them keep their pistols

[Definitely Not Rogue 76]

Tbh they already have the ARC 170 and can perform hacks and do most passive RP CE can do and the Specialist also has access to an LAAT. That’s more than what some other sub paths get. I’ve heard people saying that punishments will be strict but I’ve seen no change in Aces front lining and it’s just not fun for ECs to fight against someone with more HP than them and the same weapon, with the addition of force powers aswell.

The main reason I’ve seen for them having their pistols is so they can assist clones but from what I’ve seen they are way more useful in their ARC-170s shooting down enemy ships then they are with their pistols. So I’d just much rather leave the clones to shooting and Jedi to lightsaber duelling, Aces will still be able to assist clones with their ships and there can be no more of the front lining issues.
 

 

Edited July 1, 2020 by Rogue

[Silent 148]

+1 

Ace always frontline 

In fact just remove Ace will solve the problem 

 

In fact remove jedi solve lots of problems

[Evilgejf 43]

+1 Either remove them or tell Aces to stop being frontline. And its just kind of dumb of them actually having weapons since there is 0 reasons for it ngl

[Xi. 5]

Would like to note that this issue has been discussed before in both jedi suggestions and by high council. As can be seen on the public suggestion it was denied. What i believe the real question of this suggestion should be is how frequently shout they use them and in what situations. However, i have to agree with solaire and say that this just sounds like you were killed by an Ace as an EC and was not happy about it. As you were once a jedi too toxic i would hope that you remember the difficulty for jedi to deal with a large number of ECs at a distance and therefore only 1 or 2 jedi at most have access to the pistol. Jedi only use the pistols when aiding clones anyway so by taking 1 pistol away you are encouraging the use of sabers which spirals into clones becoming annoyed that Jedi are too powerful and breaking silver rule. Regardless of what you change clones will always find a way to get annoyed at Jedi.

[Pie 25]

-1 
With my expirence only recently frontlining aces have been a problem, I think this should be left to jedi HC to deal with as a removal of the pistols just doesnt make sense. 
The only suggestion I have is that they can only engage hostiles if they themselfs have been shot, just make sure they dont combat bait

 

[[W-G] Defrexx 47]

12 hours ago, Rogue said:

Tbh they already have the ARC 170 and can perform hacks and do most passive RP CE can do and the Specialist also has access to an LAAT. That’s more than what some other sub paths get. I’ve heard people saying that punishments will be strict but I’ve seen no change in Aces front lining and it’s just not fun for ECs to fight against someone with more HP than them and the same weapon, with the addition of force powers aswell.

The main reason I’ve seen for them having their pistols is so they can assist clones but from what I’ve seen they are way more useful in their ARC-170s shooting down enemy ships then they are with their pistols. So I’d just much rather leave the clones to shooting and Jedi to lightsaber duelling, Aces will still be able to assist clones with their ships and there can be no more of the front lining issues.
 

 

Please just come to master with proof. It will be dealt with. So far i only see people cry about it without coming to a master+. The only 2 occasions where i have seen people come to master+ it wasnt frontlining.

[Kato 11]

-1 
I mean let em have their pew pew pea shooters, Aces should know they aint allowed to frontline, If ya want to whine about it whine to Master+ with prrof exactly what Defrexx said. I feel like a Disgusting American saying this but its the Man behind the gun not the gun itself.

[Mort 76]

-1
The concept of Ace being the ship sub-path is wrong, ace is the clone supporting sub-path in both air and land, now i know that clones and ECs might get angry when they frontline, but you just gotta tell defrexx, who is being really serious about this and will do what must be done.

Edited July 2, 2020 by Mort
I putted that ace is a regiment instead of sub-path

[Battle 56]

-1

If you see an ace frontlining get evidence and send it to a battle master.

[Navas 74]

Not to sound retarded or anything but why do they have pistols in the first place?