Borat deleting a cp because it was "CL4"

[R.1_ck 3]

Your name in-game: Rick Hajzlowzkyj
Your SteamID:  STEAM_0:0:105207025
Admin's you report name: Borat
Admin's you report SteamID: STEAM_0:1:104758607
Why do you want him demoted?: This guy was screaming at me for having a lockdown Door on Containment access only, when i tried explaining why it was closed and who approved it, he deleted it not letting me talk

So there was a little trouble with people at HCZ, Constantly running around not showing their ID, I was asking the O5 to show me his ID or ill have him arrested (I locked the door as a precaution) Then Someone started screaming at me to change the door to CL3 or it would be removed. told him to give me a minute that we got some trouble here, he then proceeded to teleport behind me as soon as i opened the door, and told me again to change it to CL3 or delete. i tried explaining that it got approved by an admin (couldn´t remember the name) i tried explaining why the door was Containment access but he didn´t listen and then started deleting the unsaved CP. I told him im going to file Staff complaint and he said to do so.

And i don´t see any rule saying that i cant have a lockdown door Containment access only (Also many people had their lockdown doors on a job keycard scanner and nobody had problem with that)

Now i explained why the door was locked

Edit: 076-2 breached after the CP got removed, don´t know if there were any casualties. We could secure it by locking down the CP and securing the LCZ/HCZ Checkpoint. 

Evidence:

Also there was hella people there (but im not sure if they count)

Edited July 24, 2020 by R.1_ck

[Darkusto 41]

+1 if you did get permission, even then he should have just made it nocollide if hes that impatient. 

[Josh Rice 2]

+1 I was the HoS in the pics and I feel it was dealt with very unprofessionally, with him not even having a chance to explain or save his checkpoint. 

[Michael Jeffreson 15]

He should of tried to talk to you and not just remove it

+1

Goods Reasons:

-Staff shouldn't just remove stuff without asking if it was saved tbh

-Arent staff meant to be role models?

-He should of let you explain

-If you had approval from staff thats a good reason because he is still just an event planner

Bads Reasons:
- I can sort of understand why its bad to have containment only since people do need to be able to get around but I dont see a problem if its only closed during containment breach or major security breaches

Side notes: I dont think he should be demoted just warned for it

[ShadowFall334 5]

+1

I can say the same things that are said above.

He shouldn't just delete anything from a Checkpoint which players are building for hours. Rather speak to find a solution.

[Nathan Kennedy 442]

I was the staff who approved it in the first place and when i checked everything it appeared to all be clearance 3 but i must have been mistaken so a bit of fault on my half.

[R.1_ck 3]

Nathan you just approved to have a door inside a door. You didn´t approve the Containment access. Someone else did. Not your fault

Edited July 24, 2020 by R.1_ck

[R.1_ck 3]

21 minutes ago, Michael Jeffreson said:

He should of tried to talk to you and not just remove it

+1

Goods Reasons:

-Staff shouldn't just remove stuff without asking if it was saved tbh

-Arent staff meant to be role models?

-He should of let you explain

-If you had approval from staff thats a good reason because he is still just an event planner

Bad Reasons:
- I can sort of understand why its bad to have containment only since people do need to be able to get around but I dont see a problem if its only closed during containment breach or major security breaches

Side notes: I dont think he should be demoted just warned for it

As i said up there the door was closed for a reason.

Edited July 24, 2020 by R.1_ck

[Atomik 248]

-1

 

I was there, and Borat removed it because he didnt have the keycard at cl3 only.  Borat told him this multiple times, and even pulled him to the side.  You refused.  Borat removed the dupe.  This was valid.

[Johnwickisblak 226]

-1

Nathan was never aware that it was a Cl4. The rules are rules, no one is above them, even if a staff member says something and  you know it's wrong, don't do it, instead correct them. 

[R.1_ck 3]

Ok let me explain how the Whole CP works

There was this big butt gate that was Cl3

Then there were 5 bars on each side that would act as a lockdown door (The one borat was stuck behind) - Containment Access (Not CL4 as you all say) Got told by a Senior admin that it´s ok if i only use it in emergencies

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Nathan was never aware that it was a Cl4. The rules are rules, no one is above them, even if a staff member says something and  you know it's wrong, don't do it, instead correct them. 

Which one of them says i cant have a door on a job keycard scanner?? 

Edited July 24, 2020 by R.1_ck
Correction

[Johnwickisblak 226]

2 minutes ago, R.1_ck said:

Then there were 5 bars on each side that would act as a lockdown door - Containment Access (Not CL4)

What bars? I'm lost. Also, your whole CP is a mess with half of it needing to be gone cause you guys have above 2 Fading doors and build a Check Point at 1048.

[R.1_ck 3]

2 minutes ago, Johnwickisblak said:

What bars? I'm lost. Also, your whole CP is a mess with half of it needing to be gone cause you guys have above 2 Fading doors and build a Check Point at 1048.

am I understanding that you haven´t seen the CP and how it works and saying it´s breaking the rules? 

[Johnwickisblak 226]

6 minutes ago, R.1_ck said:

am I understanding that you haven´t seen the CP and how it works and saying it´s breaking the rules? 

I have, you and another buddy have a CP where you place half and the other places the other half. I’ve seen it, I was actually talking to you yesterday about the rule breaks but SCP-173 intrupted by killing a E-11 right next me.

Edited July 24, 2020 by Johnwickisblak

[R.1_ck 3]

Still which rule forbids me to place a door on a job keycard scanner?

[Johnwickisblak 226]

1 minute ago, R.1_ck said:

Still which rule forbids me to place a door on a job keycard scanner?

I have never complained about that? I complaint that CP at 1048 itself it three fading doors which breaks one rule, then you have to remember you can’t even build there.

[R.1_ck 3]

Just now, Johnwickisblak said:

I have never complained about that? I complaint that CP at 1048 itself it three fading doors which breaks one rule, then you have to remember you can’t even build there.

Boy this post is about my cp at the 106 crossroads getting deleted cuz it was on a job keycard scanner.... not about a CP at 1048

[ShadowFall334 5]

Alright, I will Remove the door at 1048 jeez. Just dont change the Topic.

[R.1_ck 3]

Give me a rule that forbids me to have that. If you dont give me one then it´s abuse.

 

Update: Asked like 3 random admins and they said it´s not breaking any rule

Edited July 24, 2020 by R.1_ck

[R.1_ck 3]

8 minutes ago, Borat Koslowski said:

There was no emergency doe, what i said was why cant CL3 open the CP,  there wasnt a single emergency and you refused to remove/lift the lockdown

Bro There were people who wanted to escape showing id... So i closed the door so they wont escape read the post bruh...

The lockdown was valid, We had a reason. Also i told you to wait a minute and you were impatient...

Edit: After you teleported behind me, The door magically opened, and you still insisted that i change the lockdown door Cl3

Edited July 24, 2020 by R.1_ck

[Maurice D Biggs 122]

Sooooo

there isn't even a rule which forbids for you to have those doors as CL4, thats because the checkpoint should be manned anyway.

Also there really isnt stuff like staff giving you permissions for building rules, so the people who try to argue "he gotten permission" , yea no thats not how this works, a staff member finding nothing wrong does not mean its valid.

[R.1_ck 3]

15 minutes ago, Borat Koslowski said:

There was no emergency doe, what i said was why cant CL3 open the CP,  there wasnt a single emergency and you refused to remove/lift the lockdown

Ok so, The checkpoint didn´t break any rules. It was manned. About that permission thing, before building something im not sure if it would be within the rules i call an admin to make sure that the thing doesn´t break anything, not to ask for permission to build it (Sometimes it sounds like im asking that). Thanks for your reply.

[Johnwickisblak 226]

1 hour ago, R.1_ck said:

Boy this post is about my cp at the 106 crossroads getting deleted cuz it was on a job keycard scanner.... not about a CP at 1048

I mixed up the two, so yeah my fault. But still, I'm complaining about the flaws of your whole dupe. 

4 hours ago, R.1_ck said:

 i tried explaining that it got approved by an admin 

I wasn't aware staff can approve stuff, they can only check if it's valid it or not.

40 minutes ago, R.1_ck said:

Bro There were people who wanted to escape showing id... So i closed the door so they wont escape read the post bruh...

The lockdown was valid, We had a reason. Also i told you to wait a minute and you were impatient...

If people are escaping showing ID then you should have better security, or just not use a blast door? I don't see why if the site isn't on lockdown why would put yours on Lockdown for such a minor reason. There is no reason why containment are the only ones able to open the door if there isn't a containment breach... 

[Josh Rice 2]

5 minutes ago, Johnwickisblak said:

If people are escaping showing ID then you should have better security, or just not use a blast door? I don't see why if the site isn't on lockdown why would put yours on Lockdown for such a minor reason. There is no reason why containment are the only ones able to open the door if there isn't a containment breach... 

The checkpoint was manned so does that matter?

[Johnwickisblak 226]

4 minutes ago, Joshi | Rustchance.com said:

The checkpoint was manned so does that matter?

It just doesn't make sense, and what happens if they leave? Am I just supposed to wait around?