Bring back primary weapons for ci infiltrator

[Jason Haze 100]

I don’t see why an explanation is necessary here. Literally can’t do anything with a pistol. Even if you do have the element of surprise and shoot someone in the back of the head and don’t miss at all they have time to move and pull their weapons out and shoot back. Not to mention if you don’t surprise someone and you unwillingly engage in combat, you’re fucked.

and don’t use the excuse “but ci are too op”. No, we’re not, we play better than you. Foundation outnumbers us 10-1, has better equipment and weapons and can completely nullify the effects of gas grenades with gas masks which requires one job to do. Not to mention the riot shields, m203 and others, but WE are too op...

please change this, it wasn’t necessary.

 

[Oil 105]

skill issue

[Atomik 248]

-1

 

This is CI management decision, bring it up with them.

[Qas 101]

18 minutes ago, Jason Haze said:

I don’t see why an explanation is necessary here. Literally can’t do anything with a pistol. Even if you do have the element of surprise and shoot someone in the back of the head and don’t miss at all they have time to move and pull their weapons out and shoot back. Not to mention if you don’t surprise someone and you unwillingly engage in combat, you’re fucked.

and don’t use the excuse “but ci are too op”. No, we’re not, we play better than you. Foundation outnumbers us 10-1, has better equipment and weapons and can completely nullify the effects of gas grenades with gas masks which requires one job to do. Not to mention the riot shields, m203 and others, but WE are too op...

please change this, it wasn’t necessary.

 

The point of CI Infil is to basically gather info, be a double agent and be useful for the Delta, Shocks and Operatives before they decide to attack the Foundation, you're given shit weapons for that reason, not to mention MC&D exists so you can buy some nice guns to make you better at combat. Each Infil has their own raid timer from what I remember, so they can basically plan and do whatever the hell they want without the main strike force interrupting them.

How about making your objective meaningful rather than wasting by basically doing a fuck all shoot em up scenario, make your own RP, try something new rather than doing the same thing over and over and over. Disguises exist for a reason, and a nice one is Researcher and Field Agent (If you're not retarded with the disguise that is).

Yes getting into the site is already a nightmare, but if you do get in, don't ruin the chance. 

The amount of RP you can do with Researcher and Field Agent is fucking amazing but no ones really taking advantage of it. Take for example when this mofo "Richgun" or the CI Main that called himself "The Archivist" don't really remember his fucking name, we did stuff that basically was the purpose of CI by creating chaos and scare the living fuck out of Foundation, an example of this is basically making a fake ORIA threat in the city and combining the use of grenades and other nice cheeky shit.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1id9G12LhM5ruj1ddkqbXaA1i--UTIHksFeXZoDCu6oI/edit?usp=sharing

The point is, you're a not entirely a combat unit, think of it as GOC Assessment Team, you gather info, do your own thing that won't compromise you, help your mates when they need you, make your own RP and have fun. 
Don't give yourself brain damage.

[Fricky Hecks 120]

@Qas - Rick Leefuck u i was gonna say that

Hi yes I'm the one who made this change.

I'mma just put my reasons for making it here.

CI Infiltrator shouldn't be armed to the teeth, their purpose should be to blend in, gather information & send that information to the Delta so that they can organise something big similar to what SCP: CB was. Giving Infiltrator anything more than a G-18 basically ruined this aspect, and full-auto smgs were probably added because the playerbase at the time thought that CI on the server was like SCP SL's CI and they kept on complaining about not having a strong enough weapon.

You shouldn't be getting into gunfights willy-nilly as CI Infiltrator as the point is to keep your cover for as long as possible, and if you do in fact get into gunfights like that, don't work alone, either have another infiltrator with you so you can take out people that are alone much more efficiently or work with Shocks, Operatives & Deltas to take out bigger groups.

CI Spy fared quite well with pistols back in V5 or something, and they actually did clever stuff instead of shooting everyone in ez big because they knew they had a shit weapon.

Maybe I was wrong in making the change, but until I'm certain that I was, it'll stay the way it is.

[Kvisten 540]

I don't want CI infiltrators blatantly mrdming everyone and then say "they were witnesses, because I shot first the only armed guy hurr durr, therefore, I can kill the rest". It is already annoying with WL CI that does that and it is more aids when infiltrators does the same thing and I like the change.

 

Sooooooo yeaaahhhh -1

Edited March 21, 2021 by Kvisten

[Jason Haze 100]

Tbf, these are some good points, and I appreciate the input. However, there still are a few problems.

1. Raiding-ci are already outnumbered and out matched by the foundation range of equipment, (riot shields, m203, etc.) ci infiltrator can no longer assist in raids and even if they did get into the foundation before hand, killing anything now becomes really unlikely.

2. possibility of RP-believe me, I’ve tried. Disguising as anything other than SG pretty much gets me metagamed. Not to mention the random face scanning, ID checking and weapon checking that goes on. If I wanted to play as a researcher and use that as an excuse to free class d, 4 guards, 2 b7 and some random service personnel shows up to watch it. So pretty much I won’t be able to take on more than one guard at a time and that’s if he is completely oblivious. And if I did want to gather information here, what info am I going to gather? If I wanted to disguise as nu7 I’m bound to be found out as a fake. If I disguise as fa I get sent to surface immediately with threats of face scanning for not doing my job. You get the point here

3. Info? What info?- getting into the foundation, (which now is a complete thing of its own) with the intent to gather info is pretty much useless, and you will be wasting your time. Ci pretty much know all foundations uniforms, so you can’t really gather that info. Raids on ci never exactly happen, and when it does nu7 do their best to not mention it around you, so that’s not very helpful. Best you can do is tell your team when a breach happens, which is still pretty useless as b7 and containment units deal with that while nu7 camp EZ. or when UIU decide to pay them a visit, or maybe you could found out who the o5 is and wait for them to make a mistake and then wait for them to complain about ci. Oh, and good luck getting away with it seeing as there is always around 5 armed people near them.

in conclusion, other than freeing dclass and killing foundation, making SCP nades are your go to, which are nearly impossible to make during the day as everyone for some reason visits warehouse and even if you do, everyone has gas masks in a complete display of out skilling ci.

1 hour ago, Kvisten said:

I don't want CI infiltrators blatantly mrdming everyone and then say "they were witnesses, because I shot first the only armed guy hurr durr, therefore, I can kill the rest". It is already annoying with WL CI that does that and it is more aids when infiltrators does the same thing and I like the change.

 

Sooooooo yeaaahhhh -1

the reason that rule exists is because of snitches and ISD. If you don’t kill them, you are bound to be funny swep’d or ratted on. That’s why I liked being able to use amnesties back in the day, to get comms and complete missions without having to kill people that didn’t needed to be killed.

1 hour ago, Qas - Rick Lee said:

not to mention MC&D exists so you can buy some nice guns to make you better at combat.
 

Cant take rifles from MCND anymore as infil, only pistols which are worse than the given one.

[Mark Kuntson 178]

I think the best example of how shit and TDM CI Infiltrators were is this:

*CI walks inside Big Room, full of men in suits*, he says: "Shame, none of you are armed" and runs away bhopping.

 

Made me realize how stupid the job was and that people who played it were just Call of Duty players with no intention to RP

[Jason Haze 100]

1 hour ago, Mark Kuntson said:

I think the best example of how shit and TDM CI Infiltrators were is this:

*CI walks inside Big Room, full of men in suits*, he says: "Shame, none of you are armed" and runs away bhopping.

 

Made me realize how stupid the job was and that people who played it were just Call of Duty players with no intention to RP

Weren’t you literally trying to start a tdm with foundation and mcnd? Without ci the server becomes boring and stale. At least us raiding gives nu7 a nice ego boost when they win a 20-vs5 and something to shoot at and also gives FA and uiu more of a purpose. Btw, if there wasn’t only one guy showing up for the hack each time, maybe we would not have got in. Perhaps if you rp’d the combat situation where your site was being broken into you wouldn’t have the mad man B-hopping in EZ big.

and plus, every time I did that wasn’t just to kill every one, it was to distract them to me so and clear a path my team could sneak by and get in the foundation. Too bad they were later arrested for being a bit faster than other people

and back when oneiro was a job, didn’t you make me give you grandes to use against the foundation and make me kill random b7 and nu7? All for the goal for killing the hoea? How is that any different? I kill for a goal, you kill for a goal, but because I do it on a larger scale and have more options for it which serves my purpose that makes me a cod tdm player, hmm.......

and believe me, ci does very little rp because the only place it gets us is a cell in EZ

”why yes, I am running fast because I’m a good runner and workout a lot, wait, why have you just cuffed me and are now face scanning me?”

“Why yes I am just a citizen standing by blue door not being hostile and not having any weaponry ah fuck why did you shoot me through the door you prick!”

And lastly. Fuck call of duty, fairly certain over 90 percent of us don’t play that game.

[Lorex Krato 101]

What Infiltrator is supposed to be: 

Double agent, leaking information and informing other CI operators of the situation on Site.

What Infiltrator actually was:

Ha ha, I shot you. I was CI dummy.

 

So, to lower the odds of someone going "bang bang CI here" giving them weapons just and only just for self defence, has allowed infiltration to be forced onto the path of passive RP.

Which is nice,

And unfortunately,  seeing as you didn't like the change, would I be so bold to assume you are a connoisseur of combat RP?

[Jason Haze 100]

2 hours ago, Lorex Krato said:

And unfortunately,  seeing as you didn't like the change, would I be so bold to assume you are a connoisseur of combat RP?

I liked to be able to defend myself effectively, I liked to be able to have a decent back up when cuffing someone fails, I liked to be able to help ci in raids, I’d like to help a fellow ci if he is being captured or shot at, I liked to use long range tactics on the surface. Idk why we are taking out these problems on the weaponry if it’s people that are the problem. If you don’t like ci killing people, rewrite the rules, make it so you can’t kill someone without a valid reason such as helping ci get in, releasing class d, etc.

and if you really want to enforce passive RP, give us more options for it, because I’ve already explained why the aforementioned reasons don’t work

[Mark Kuntson 178]

12 hours ago, Jason Haze said:

Weren’t you literally trying to start a tdm with foundation and mcnd? Without ci the server becomes boring and stale. At least us raiding gives nu7 a nice ego boost when they win a 20-vs5 and something to shoot at and also gives FA and uiu more of a purpose. Btw, if there wasn’t only one guy showing up for the hack each time, maybe we would not have got in. Perhaps if you rp’d the combat situation where your site was being broken into you wouldn’t have the mad man B-hopping in EZ big.

and plus, every time I did that wasn’t just to kill every one, it was to distract them to me so and clear a path my team could sneak by and get in the foundation. Too bad they were later arrested for being a bit faster than other people

and back when oneiro was a job, didn’t you make me give you grandes to use against the foundation and make me kill random b7 and nu7? All for the goal for killing the hoea? How is that any different? I kill for a goal, you kill for a goal, but because I do it on a larger scale and have more options for it which serves my purpose that makes me a cod tdm player, hmm.......

and believe me, ci does very little rp because the only place it gets us is a cell in EZ

”why yes, I am running fast because I’m a good runner and workout a lot, wait, why have you just cuffed me and are now face scanning me?”

“Why yes I am just a citizen standing by blue door not being hostile and not having any weaponry ah fuck why did you shoot me through the door you prick!”

And lastly. Fuck call of duty, fairly certain over 90 percent of us don’t play that game.

it was you man. You were the "Shame none of you are armed".

-1

Kevin made a good change. If you want to kill people play Operative

Edited March 22, 2021 by Mark Kuntson

[Jason Haze 100]

41 minutes ago, Mark Kuntson said:

it was you man. You were the "Shame none of you are armed".

-1

Kevin made a good change. If you want to kill people play Operative

yes, it was me, i thought i mentioned that in the quote you pasted, the part where i said "every time I did that". but now my team are seen following me from the hack and I cant do anything about it. all those unarmed people now possibly have the ability to snitch on the 'suspicious people who weren't doing anything about the madman in ez big and followed him from the hack' which yes, is very suspicious, but unfortunately I could not do anything about that because the people were unarmed, hence the said following sentence.

[Avery Winters 139]

22 hours ago, Jason Haze said:

and don’t use the excuse “but ci are too op”. No, we’re not, we play better than you.

ISD underwent a shadow nerf to increase CSI cooldown from 20 seconds to 125 seconds. Initally on behalf of management (as i was management at time) we complained. Once we got rejected by SMT, we let it go and adapted. Cause i taught my members to make maximum use out of their gear. 

If you are as you claim to be, I do believe you can adapt to this nerf. 

[Jason Haze 100]

1 hour ago, Indigo_ said:

just play operative 

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Ah, look. It’s another one of mr irrelevant’ s great appearances to provide no actual valid input.

[Jason Haze 100]

9 minutes ago, Avery Winters said:

ISD underwent a shadow nerf to increase CSI cooldown from 20 seconds to 125 seconds. Initally on behalf of management (as i was management at time) we complained. Once we got rejected by SMT, we let it go and adapted. Cause i taught my members to make maximum use out of their gear. 

If you are as you claim to be, I do believe you can adapt to this nerf. 

Ofc, that’s what I plan to happen. If this gets rejected I move on and stick with what I’ve got. No point complaining further. At the end of the day, all I can do is try to give my job as many advantages as I can.

Edited March 22, 2021 by Jason Haze

[Jason Haze 100]

2 minutes ago, Titty Man said:

you really hurt his feelings

And then, there is another. Damn, I guess being a ci main really does attract all the retards

[Norra 447]

Denied.

I believe the original vote made by the Delta managers will explain this well enough.

What does this mean? Chaos Insurgency managers want less combatRP, and the majority of Deltas agree with this. I believe the current management is perfect right now.

It hasn't even been a week with this change, if you're having issues "playing" Infiltrator, then I recommend changing your play style to something more passive.