Shepherd

Neutral
I understand that you maybe new and do not know all of the rules but you did job abuse and warns are on to teach you not to do it again

I was notified by a cg that someone switched Jobs after getting AOS'd. So i came to take a look. Then when he got aos'd again, (i think the cg just did that as an example) he changed again within seconds. So i warned him and he made a claim why he was warned. So i explained. He was very suprised and told me he did not realise he got aos'd. He also offered to change back to he other job to get the punishment, but the cg said that that could not be done. So i left it like that. But sounded realy sencere when he explained his story. And i believe he realy did not notice the AOS. And he was just checking the plat vip Jobs. So i think the warn should be removed.

Unwarn Request
My In-Game name: Shepherd, PB

STEAMID: (STEAM_0:1:194840028) (PB:STEAM_0:0:103507068)

Steam Name: EngineerMan, mom (PB)

What is the reason for your Warn: Prop Climb

How long were you banned for: N/A

Name of the staff member who banned you:  Schumacher 

Why do I believe that we should be unwarned:  We were doing some PassiveRP on the Bar roof (on Rishi) when Fluffy's lift was randomly removed there was also a ramped used by PB which someone spawned, but PB was warned for that. So I used the wall to jump onto the secondary roof and then used a box (which I used as I had difficulty, not as it is impossible to get on the roof) and we were warned. PB and I did not get a sit or even just a PM. Our Commander (who is a Senior Admin) said that if we are doing a PassiveRP, then we can do minor prop climbing to get on a wall/roof. We are allowed to use "scaffolding" but that was removed and the box was not necessary anyway. (I do not have scaffolding dupes as i do not much PassiveRP, and neither does PB as they are new to CE and the server).(I was told to add in PBs request on mine, as she is new to the server).

Evidence: https://discordapp.com/channels/457887955692945419/607618330005733409/741780434836389971

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As others said.

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just warned without asking questions 
 

+1 Used Scaffolding and other such props in CE passive RPs before and have never had a problem with any staff. Knowing Shepherd and Fluffy I can say without a doubt it wasnt to abuse any rules and the warn should be removed.

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I approved of this and the said staff member should have asked beforehand. The build was not there to access any prohibited areas that could have given them any advantage over them, it was there for some passive RP which is common in CE. I cannot stress the importance of actually talking with the person that someone might be ready to warn first, therefore this warn is not only unjustified, but it also reflects a bad picture to other staff members. Prop climb is the use of props to access areas that aren't suppose to be accessed that easily, but in a Commander's meeting it was discussed that CE was indeed allowed to use such builds for passive RP purposes. I would expect a staff member to not only make a staff sit, but to also ask the staff member(s) that allowed this. I am not saying that what he did was wrong, but rather that there was a more efficient way of dealing with it. Mainly a misunderstood situation, but also a simple example as to why staff should never rush to conclusions.
 
In addition, I would like to point out that I have used similar builds before being a staff member and was never warned once, having permission from staff to continue my passive RP and there were no problems caused by this. 

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A misunderstanding between the staff and the rule.
 

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a completely undeserved warn, considering staff such as Toon and super admins in the past have granted the use of props to climb in places not easy to reach in trainings. 

I would understand if there were messy boxes stacked to just make a messy tower but Scaffolding and ramping was used, adding realism to the scenario too.
 
 

I was in charge of this PassiveRP, can confirm, they got no sit or anything. PB littarly had to be told by Shepherd she got a warn. To add onto this, JH removed the lift which made them use a prop to get up while I was explaining that we could use them. Warn should be removed as everything was done was minor mistakes (one by a new player who didn't even spawn the prop) as a result of staff actions. Besides that fact also no verbal warning, sit or any way of explaining there actions was offered to them before the warning and they were only informed of the warning by them getting it. After the fact we did get to talk to Lewis but he could not unwarn us and it was more of a cutesy then anything.